Include `stan_surv` in CRAN release of rstanarm?

[jburos]

Summary:

It would be amazing if we could finally merge the feature/survival branch into rstanarm, per this discussion on Apr 29. I'm surfacing this as a stand-alone issue to aid discussion around this.

I would hate to see this die on the vine, and not make it into wider use. What needs to happen to get this over the finish line?

Description:

The goals are (at a minimum):

1. Ease installation pain for users, particularly on Windows.
2. Access to rendered documentation & vignettes.
3. Regular (automatic) testing of stan_surv and related functions.
4. Maintenance of functionality, and adding new functionality.
   • I can contribute some time, but could use help.
   • @sambrilleman suggested recruiting a post-doc or researcher to help with maintenance.

Some options for release & installation:

• Merge feature/survival into master, release on CRAN (and elsewhere)
• and/or schedule updating the built binaries for feature/survival branch, hosted on mc-stan.org. [is this already being done?]
• and/or, add this branch to regular builds available through r-universe, which would also make the documentation available.

Reproducible Steps:

See related issues: #500 , #566 , etc.

RStanARM Version:

2.21.3

R Version:

N/A

Operating System:

N/A

[jgabry]

Yes! I've been wanting to release this on CRAN for ages but I think there was some compilation related issue that was preventing it (@bgoodri would know much better than I do). Ben, what's the current situation? Are we able to include this is a release soon?

[rok-cesnovar]

If I remember correctly, the issue was that the produced assembly was too big for 32-bit Windows, which meant that CRAN could not build binaries for 32-bit Windows.

However, CRAN has since dropped the requirement to support 32-bit Windows once R 4.1 was released. So we might be able to get this on CRAN now.

I am planning to update the rstanarm binaries on mc-stan.org/r-packages this weekend for R4.1 and R4.2. Hopefully will be able to also make a Github Actions workflow so that this becomes less manual and can be triggered by anyone with permissions.

[rok-cesnovar]

The feature/survival branch also needs to be updated to master. I saw @sambrilleman create a new branch survival_2_21_3. Sam, is that update to the recent master branch of rstanarm?

[ericnovik]

If it is too difficult to make this work inside rstanarm we could move it to a separate package like stansurv or something. To make a clean break, we would probably want to move stan_jm() as well, which would likely be a pain. In any case, we should do something here as there is demand for Bayesian survival modeling.

[sambrilleman]

The feature/survival branch also needs to be updated to master. I saw @sambrilleman create a new branch survival_2_21_3. Sam, is that update to the recent master branch of rstanarm?

@rok-cesnovar Yeah sure is. I managed to merge in master and solve the merge conflicts. I can't build from source though so wasn't able to test things work, so comes with that disclaimer. But otherwise feel free to work from that branch. 👍

[sambrilleman]

If it is too difficult to make this work inside rstanarm we could move it to a separate package like stansurv or something. To make a clean break, we would probably want to move stan_jm() as well, which would likely be a pain. In any case, we should do something here as there is demand for Bayesian survival modeling.

Yeah I've pondered on this many times in the past. But I think it might be a bit hard to maintain as an entirely separate package, including the refactoring to work out how to avoid having to duplicate all the external postestimation and/or internal util functions in both packages!

[bgoodri]

If I remember correctly, the issue was that the produced assembly was too big for 32-bit Windows, which meant that CRAN could not build binaries for 32-bit Windows.

The 32bit thing was an issue, although we had always been able to barely get around it with rstanarm. The bigger deal for CRAN was the compilation time and RAM especially on Windows, but that seems to have been lessened by the additions to src/Makevars.win that utilize LTO. It does not take so long to compile any one model into the intermediate representation and both that and the linking / optimization can be done in parallel. And it doesn't seem to have broken anything. So, I think we can start to add Stan programs, starting with the survival and CAR models that have been sitting around for ages.

[ermeel86]

So, I think we can start to add Stan programs, starting with the survival and CAR models that have been sitting around for ages.

Wonderful!

What is the minimum of steps, that remains to be done?

Can we agree on a minimal number and set of tests? I could help to choose some, by comparison with reference models (e.g., via coxph in the survival R package, conjugate distributions were possible with analytical posterior, to name just a few).

Also, we could look at the growing number of publications, citing stan_surv, to determine a collection of authentic tests.

Lastly, testing should focus on parts that we think have a high likelihood of containing bugs. So we could start defining tests, based on known bugs the . Another incentive to fix those bugs, soon!

PS: sorry that “my” PhD student didn’t work on the topic in the end.

[ermeel86]

I think “the big elephant in the room” is that with @sambrilleman, the original author of the function, not being able to (pro-)actively work on it, we need someone that familiarises him-/herself with the code, in order to contribute and move stan_surv finally into stable rstanarm. And that requires time, focus, supervision and efforts, and thus needs a strong incentive. Which isn’t apparent to me.

I like the proposal to have a phd student work on it, but my example showed that the incentives for her to work on stan_surv were too low, given other tasks and their respective incentives.

What are the incentives? Is there an opportunity to joinedly sponsor a student?

[ermeel86]

@jburos @bgoodri what type of testing would you like to see? What's the minimum "amount" of tests you'd like to have? Would Simulation based calibration based testing be an option? Thanks, Eren.

[bgoodri]

My impression was that the unit testing was not as extensive as for the rest of rstanarm. It would be good if SBC has been used to make sure that the Stan programs are working as intended, but that isn't something that we have been including in rstanarm releases.

[jburos]

My impression was that the unit testing was not as extensive as for the rest of rstanarm.

Perhaps this would be a good place to start, by adding unit tests and/or addressing some of the lingering bugs. This would leave the SBC-based testing (beyond maybe a simple test) for an external library or project to tackle..

[jburos]

What is the minimum of steps, that remains to be done?

I think lack of clarity around this is one of the biggest challenges to moving this forward. @bgoodri , can you elaborate here?

[ermeel86]

I can echo @jburos remark about the need for more clarity on requirements. I've discussed the topic also with a member from the openstatsware working group, a scientific working group of the American Statistical Association (ASA) Biopharmaceutical section (BIOP). See here. There is the possibility to propose the topic there, essentially requesting support and resources from them. However, for this, we would need a clearer definition of the work package to be done, particularly acceptance criteria for addition to stable rstanarm.